for this fantasy that this lie will be the one that does him in. and we won't really have to compete with him in the political arena because voters will naturally come to us. hillary clinton made that mistake in the 016 election. they continue to make that mistake. and i will say the media, i am a member of the media. i can't turn off that. i am a media obsessive. i admit it. but i also realize to take away drpt's control that he has of the media, it tim to competing in the narrative space. >> i'm going on my honeymoon next week and i'm hoping to do this two weeks. >> but you have a beach treat here. >> i do. >> good to see both of you. top of the hour, you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with a major batch of

developments in the trump russia probe. a clinton impeachment lawyer is in. robert mueller threatened to subpoena the president as trump threatened to interfere with the justice department. we're going to start with jeff zeleny at the white house. jeff, ty cobb says this, quote, i've done what i came to do in terms of managing the white house response to the counsel request. i'm extremely gateful to the president and chief kelly for the opportunity to serve my country, but we are also hearing from our colleague jim acosta that he's been wanting out ever since trump has gone off on robert mueller. >> brooke, there's no question in the last i would say couple weeks or so the president's anger at all of this investigation has accelerated and intensified. no question at all. that we are told as jim acosta was reporting earlier, that made ty cobb and others a little

apprehensive here. ty cobb really since he joined the white house, and he's a lawyer inside the white house, he works in the white house every day, he has been trying to play the role of good cop. he has been trying to assist with all the white house staffers who are interviewed, all the documents that the special counsel's office was requesting for. . he has been sort of apprehensive about the president's increasing, you know -- his anger really boiling over often certainly privately and on twitter as well. so it's in one hand not a surprise at all that he is leaving. it was more of a surprise that the president decided to hire emmitt flood, whose name has been fleting ut. he is someone who worked inside

the bush administration counsel's office, was involved in the clinton impeachment as well. so he's has so this is an aggressive posture here we're about to see certainly executing, brook. >> what about jeff switching girls. trump threatened to interfere with the department of justice. the justice department is refusing a request to turn over a memo detailing the scope of robert mueller's investigation. why? because there you see the final line here, the would word get involved, peel had to and two sources say that robert mueller has raised the possibility of a

presidential subpoena. your thoughts on that? >> the president has been on both side of this. he said yes, he wants to sit down with bob mueller and wants to get this over with. he's been viezed by people to not do it. in there's a adviser. and president is trying to discredit this entire investigation. the question is how much is he going to fight this? is he going to take the fifth? exactly what this new legal strategy will be we're not certain of. but the reality is that. if you think the investigation has br been sharp, they seem to be preparing to become more so. this could end up in the supreme court if the president's lawyers fight any attempt to have him

down. it halftime in this investigation. we don't know how long. >> jeff, thank you. let's bring in the legal experts. with me, a lawyer who is a former official in the department of homeland security and cnn contributor john dean, president nixon's white house council. they be and this hire are of emmitt flood, clinton people lawyer. what does that signal to you? >> it doesn't clearly signal anything yet to me. i don't know if he's preplacing ty cobb in the white house where his clientor whether he's going to be just another lawyer -- >> let me jump in. the clarity i have from jim acosta is he would actually

taken but now it appears he'll fill cobb's shoes instead. >> tease a little different than having donald trump as he will be responsible arranging witnesses. he will be in on the private discusses but he doesn't have attorney/client privilege to smach. >> mike: paul, cnn sources say that this move reflects a more adversarial approach to bob mueller, that pris hasn't got them to play anywhere. but it seems like pretty mr. flood first of all is an

excellent attorney. so it puts to bed the trump can't hire good attorneys for at least a little while. and it comes from a and i assume he will bring that same zealousness to his representation of the white house. he has a vast amount of experience both in the bush stras and i suspect that what he willexcellent advice and if i have any sense at all the price would be do not take that interview, mr. president. >> going back to your tikson do you think that's a viable option for president trump now? h

how. >> i actually didn't take the fifth. i pb i did refer an offer on the grand jury level when the early prosecutors were playing some games. but that's deep in the woods of watergate. do you think he could played the fifth? i think there's also been the suggestion by all you is souf and we could get the testimony anyways because he cannot be prosecuted under the existing stand and then he's forced to gift testimony and that testimony can be used in an impeachment proceeding. >> what about executive privilege? what if he only will answer x, y and z and the rest he says forget it? >> well, of course that would not apply to his business

activities before he became president. this would only apply after january 20th of things like the firing ems so would be potential law enforcement? no. i just recent lip read u.s. versus nixon on the executive privilege issues, and i think that the overwhelming weight shows that he'd have great voke and unless the prosecutors need it and it will be the prosecutor's decision, not his. >> we know rudy yul janie has he said it would be middlesex, nsh

it's my understanding that it not their place to say how long they'll sit for an interview. it up to bob mueller and the department of justice, correct? >> well, that's correct. to avoid a subpoena fight, mr. mueller might president be request was that him testimonies lim limit that the times has pointed out is any indication of the breadth of the interest of mr. mueller's testimony, there is no way that this set of questions could be asked in two to three hours. you would barely be starting on the first three or four. the 48, 49 questions are 10, 12 hours worth of interview in my judgment. >> and again, those are just the questions that doesn't even include all the follow-ups that

would come in between. >> john-ups. >> exactly. john dean, the fact that donald trump has been so public weighing in on this investigation, tweeting a lot. wouldn't ejust a. >> mike: there is a realing ament that be made that his tweets do wave some of thinks potential claims of executive and it's fought really on a political basis more than a legal basis. unlike say, the attorney-client privilege, where there's lot of case law, that doesn't exist with executive privilege. it typically invoked in front of congress. tell dom with the wait any court would look at his tweets and say, well, mr., you've already

talked about that, how can you claim privilege? >> john, i apologize for that error. i appreciate both of you. just ahead, special counsel robert mueller now floating the possibility of a presidential subpoena. we'll break down the legal precedent of that. also jurors in the bill cosby trial, pushing back that the argument of the #metoo movement played a role in their decision.

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i'm the new sleep number 360 smart bed. let's meet at a sleep number store. we're back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. before the news of his sudden departure, trump's lawyer ty cobb said there was a possibility that president trump could voluntarily sit down with special counsel bob mueller and his team. >> it's certainly not off the table. people are working hard to make decisions and work toward an interview. and assuming that could be concluded favorably, there will be an interview.

assuming it can't be, assuming an agreement can't be reached, you know, then it will go a different route. >> a different route, repeating ty cobb's words. that possibility could mean a subpoena. special counsel robert mueller has raised the possibility of a presidential subpoena in at least one meeting between his investigators and the trump legal team. but what legal precedent does mueller have to compel the president of the united states to talk? for answers let's go to our supreme court analyst. joan, two cases to look back to, clinton and nixon. show me. >> first, in 1974, u.s. v. nixon, this arose from the watergate scandal. in 1974 the independent special counsel subpoenaed president nixon trying to get the watergate tapes, the oval office tapes, conversations that the president had with advisers and aides who had been indicted by a grand jury.

and nixon said no, asserted executive privilege. this is the mainlandmark ca lan and the court ruled against nixon and acknowledged that a president has an interest in keeping communications confidential butch said in thcot ial b confidential but said in this case their an overriding interest in getting answers to the inquiry. but august 9th, president nixon had resigned. >> so nixon. now how about clinton versus jones. >> yes. this is a little bit more familiar to your viewers. this happened in 1997. it was not a claim of executive privilege. it was a claim of immunity, presidential immunity. but the supreme court unanimously ruled against clinton and also referred to

u.s. v. nixon, in this one saying president clinton did not want to go through a civil lawsuit at that time while serving as president. it had been brought by paula jones who alleged he had sexually harassed her when he was governor of arkansas. the supreme court said, no, this should not distract from your duties, that you should have to undergo this civil lawsuit. this was not a subpoena, brooke, as we had in u.s. v. nixon and as we might have today against president trump, but just so you know, related ken starr, the independent counsel at the time, actually did get a subpoena against president clinton to try to get him to testify in the monica lewinsky matter. president clinton then agreed to testify voluntarily and ken starr withdraw that subpoena. >> so there's two examples of

the precedent. what about we know president trump, flashing forward just on the opposite side here, he talked about article 2 of the constitution which defines of office of the president. how does that play in all of this? >> well, article 2 is the part of the constitution that gives the president all of his powers, just like article 1 covers the congress, article 3 covers the federal judiciary. and what president trump supporters seem to be suggesting is that article 2 because it gives the power to hire and fire people that, it would protect the president's views, decisions, inner most thoughts on why he would have hired or fired, for example, you know, rod rosenstein, if it goes that way. they're saying that this is part of his core powers, but that's kind of a broad brush defense there if he were to assert it and i don't think that would go anywhere either. >> depending on which way this

thing goes, joan, you may have quite the story on your hands at the supreme court. thank you so very much in washington for me walking us through all of those cases. coming up here, the cnn exclusive, the doctor who wrote that glowing letter exclaiming donald trump would be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency now says he didn't write it. what he's revealing to cnn next.

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here's a stunning cnn exclusive. remember the health assessment letter back from 2015 declaring that donald trump has

extraordinary stamina and would be the healthiest person ever elected to the presidency? yeah, that. it turns out that trump dictated that himself. at leasts that what his doctor is telling cnn. joining me, biographer michael deantonio. obviously this is alarming. you have spent hours with trump. the statement, full of trumpisms. does it surprise you to learn this? >> not at all. i think donald trump before he was president treated everyone as if he or she were a stenographer. the whole idea of being in his presence was to absorb what he wanted, write it down if necessary and then regurgitate it on command. so this is very consistent. as you noted, the language in it is very trumpian.

his extraordinary stamina and strength, it's like a page out of a comic book from donald trump's youth. it's just -- it's just pure trump. >> it's comic book fodder but i agree that he wrote about how this actually matters, why four reasons that donald trump faking a doctor note matters and point three is trump will do absolutely anything to win. and writes "in a world where anything is justified by self-interest, nothing can be off limits and that at the moment is the space that donald trump willingly occupies." what does this, michael, reveal about trump the man? >> well, it is the space he's always occupied. and if you think about this carefully, you can see that this is an abuse of this physician. you know, this is a man with a medical license. he's been trump's doctor for decades. and now he's being pushed around

by the candidate -- then candidate trump and really cornered. and i can't imagine how facing the strength of the pitch from donald trump that he just capitulated. and that's a violation of his own ethics and practices in his profession. so all around this is a profoundly corrupt and dishonest thing to do, but it is par for the course for donald trump. >> let me ask about a different doctor. i want to play a roo mieminder what ronny jackson, white house physician, reported about his health earlier this year. >> it's called genetics. some people have just great genes. i told the president if he had a healthier diet over the last 20 years, he might live to be 200 years old. i don't know. he has incredible genes i just assume. >> incredible genes. we all remember sitting there and watching that news conference of dr. jackson.

what do you make of that in light of the dictation news we know now with his previous physician. >> we have to think that in this case the president pushed dr. jackson and said, well, i have these really great genes, which is a line that he made with me, used with me and that he's used with a great many people. he likes to assert that he's superior in all these different categories, ranking from intellect to fiscal strength and stami stamina. you dr. jackson has been caught up in a controversy over releasing information about the vice president's wife's condition. her physician complained this is a violation of medical ethics and rules. so you see this tendency toward corruption in the people around the president, and that includes those who really should be beyond corruption. >> mm-hmm.

michael d'antonio, thank you so much. and more trouble today for scott pruitt. the embattled epa chief now facing 11 separate investigations. hear the allegations now. and backlash erupts after kanye west makes explosive comments about slavery during his interview with tmz. what he said, how he's defending himself. don lemon joins me live. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything

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new troubles for epa chief scott pruitt, already facing inquiries about his spending, his management decision. now he tried to open an epa office in his hometown. and now questions are popping up about a very expensive trip to

morocco. my goodness, he has many lives. >> reporter: he certainly does. now even more ethical issues that we're talking about here today for epa administrator scott pruitt. we learned his trip to morocco last year cost two times more than originally thought and was arranged in poart by a lobbyist. he's already facing at least 11 federal probes into his behavior and management at the agency, including travel expenses, security costs and ethical concerns. let's just look at the last 24 hours alone. we have learned that pruitt wanted a home office, an epa office in his hometown of tulsa, oklahoma. two key aides resigned from the agency. that happened yesterday. one was his head of security, who, brook, if you remember was at the center of several pruitt controversies, like his travel and first class flights.

not only did a lobbyist help plan that pricey trip to moro o morocco, that lobbyist was involved in meetings on that trip and it is very unusual for a lobbyist to be so involved in planning a trip for a head of a federal agency. and then there's also this report about a a different lobbyist who essentially sent an e-mail and that e-mail shows that he was asking for something from pruitt. he wanted specific people to be assigned to an advisory board, a scientific advisory board. but, brooke, despite all the mounting problems and ethical questions, it appears that peru the still has republicans and more importantly the president's confidence. look at the list of controversies when you compare scott pruitt to others in the trump cabinet. these are all the list of controversies that came up regarding scott pruitt. take a look over here, top price. you remember him, he was the

former secretary at health and human services. his one controversy there was pricey travel. then you hop on over to the vfrm v.a., former v.a. secretary david shulkin, his one was pricey travel also. >> he may not have a lot of fans in the white house butc but he the most important one, the president of the united states. >> the president's white house lawyer is out, a clinton impeachment lawyer is in. what this means for the special counsel's investigation. plus don lemon is up to talk with me about all things kanye west, who is -- can ykanye gett all kind of black lash for suggesting slavery was a choice.

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. breaking news. another former trump associate speaking with the special counsel team. to manu raju we go. what do you know? >> reporter: michael ka pucaputt got out of a meeting with special investigators. michael caputo has been close with some members of the trump inner circle, including roger stone, a long had ev-time trump, who has had denied any wrong

doing. but caputo has been very close to stone over the years. there have been also other questions about caputo, his time in russia, he spent some time in russia in his career before moving to new york and helping advise the trump campaign. caputo has flatly denied he's done anything wrong and cooperated with multiple investigations. he just met with senate intelligence committee investigators yesterday and released a closing statement in a closed door meeting in which he was sharply, sharply critical of their investigation, multiple investigations, even saying it's cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars and it's been a financial strain on his family. they've not found in his view any evidence of collusion whatsoever. but nonetheless, another sign that the mueller probe is still moving pretty rapidly. some significant interviews continue to take place, even the big interview between the president and mueller's team.

still a question about whether or not that will happen. but other associates continue to come forward as this investigation carries on, brooke. >> moving forward. manu raju thank you. kanye west is keeping himself in the headlines and fans wondering what's going on with him? he calls it free thought. but most say his thought to tmz about slavery is wrong and concerning that someone with his kind of influence would even say such a thing. this is what he said. >> i'm a black person, a black community. i feel people try to minimize me to artist, hip hop, black community. yeah, i'm always going to represent that but i also represent the world. when you hear about slavery for 400 years, for 400 years, that sound like a choice. you were there for 400 years and it's all y'all?

it like we're mentally imprisoned. >> do you feel that i'm being free and i'm thinking free? >> actually, i don't think you're thinking anything. i think what you're doing right now is actually the absence of thought and the reason why i feel like that is because kanye, you're entitled to your opinion, entitled to believe whatever you want but there is fact and real world, real life consequence behind everything that you just said. and while you are making music and being an artist and living the life that you've earned by being a genius, the rest of us in society have to deal with these threats to our lives. we have to deal with the marginalization that has come from the 400 years of slavery that you said for our people was a choice. >> ooh. you see these tweets, kanye took to twitter and said this "to make moose cleyself clear, i kns

did not got shackled and put on a boat of free will. even though the numbers were on our side means we wereme mental enslaved." >> with me, don lemon. don lemon. >> i'm sorry. looked confused. what does he mean by that? the numbers were such that we could have fought slavery? we make up 10 to 12% of the population. how were we going to fight in lesser numbers in those times? his facts are wrong. first of all, i think we're witnessing someone who is obviously going through some things and it's happening, unfolding on national television unfortunately, so i'll just leave it at that because i don't want to cast aspersions on people but his facts are wrong. and i don't mean this -- i'm so upset by this story. i'm over it.

i'm sick of talking about him. i want him to pick up a history book. as a matter of fact -- go on. >> i was going to -- maxine crump. she was on the show last hour. her great, great grandfather was sold as a slave to georgetown university. and she was like we need to be rewriting our history books. these young people just don't know. >> we need to include this in history books. we don't need to rewrite history but we need to include that in history books. and i would start if i were kanye, because i want to help you, kanye, i would start with 1400s. if i were him, i would look up cape coast castle, which i visited with my mother when we were talking about our backgrounds. i would start there and i would start with the ivory coast, the gold coast and africa, the slave coast and i would visit cape coast castle if i were him, especially on august 1st of

every year when they have emancipation day, and where they sort of reconcile what happened in africa, shipping people off. i would start with that so that he could learn about the history, how people were kept in what is essentially holding cells, 13 x 15 foot holding cells, 300 to 500 people at a time in shackles before they were shipped off 5,000, 6,000 miles to the united states and beyond with -- to become slaves. >> you went with your mom. this is video from a couple of years ago. >> yeah. >> had you done that before? >> i hadn't done that before. obviously i studied history. i grew up going to an all-black catholic school and we learned about those things. but i had never done that. this makes it real. and there is a door before you got shipped off before that long treacherous journey across the atlantic, the last thing you saw was a door of no return. you walked through the door of no return. >> what was that like feeling

that? >> it was awful. these are dungeons. we were in dungeons. that's were people kept before they were shipped off. it was terrible to realize that you had been housed in those horrid conditions, black people, africans had been housed in those horrible conditions for months sometimes. and then that journey across the atlantic lasted for months and then when you got there, what did -- >> to think that that was a choice, right? >> that's not a choice. >> and to see the producer stand up because i realize a lot of people are like why are you giving this guy oxygen -- >> he has a platform. and young people may actually believe that and they may understand that and they may think history is not important. he keeps talking about, you know, the trump -- president trump and what he's done and about we should forget about history and we should forget about all these things. no, we can't forget about history. history is important. it doesn't mean we have to celebrate history but we should know that history so that we don't have is to repeat it.

the very people he's trying to appeal talking about history, t history of the flag, that they like to see come back, the confederate flag and all of that stuff, well then if history doesn't matter to you, none of that stuff matters as well. the other thing that -- i want to say and i think it is very important is that it seems that african-americans or black people in this country are the only people who are told how they should recognize and celebrate their history. we're the only people who are told -- jewish people aren't told that. every year for passover, jewish people commemorate the freedom from slavery and from ancient egypt. no one says anything. and i commend them for it. my jewish brothers and sisters should do that. but people need to stop telling african-americans they should forget about slavery and move on. we can do both. know about our history and realize that from history that we don't have to be held to

that. that we can aspire to go beyond that and be great as well. that is why -- after visiting cape coast castle, you can't tell me nothing. and which is a kanye song, you can't tell me nothing. there is nothing that will stop me from achieving in this world. kanye needs to realize, it is not a binary choice. you could remember your history and also achieve. it doesn't have to hold you there. >> thank you for that. >> thank you. >> don lemon, 10:00 -- >> one more thing. can i say within more thing. i know you have to go. this is -- as i was driving over, you know what i realized and we're friends, you didn't think about this, in my immediate family, i'm the first person in my immediate family to be born with full rights and privileges as a united states citizen. >> how about that. >> 1964 voter rights act. my sister and mother, did not have full rights. i'm the first person -- think about that.

kanye, think about that. >> thank you, don lemon. good to see you. coming up next, jurors who handed down guilty verdicts against bills cou -- bill cosby what they are revealing about their deliberations and the me-to movement.

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and testimony they may have disregarded. but they did say in this joint letter that the deliberations were sacred. writing, after thoughtful and meticulous consideration of the information and evidence provided to us, we came to our unanimous verdict. our decision was not influenced in any way by factors other than what we heard and saw in the courtroom. not once were race or the me-too movement ever discussed, nor did either factor enter our decision. each of us spoke of the weight of our responsibility, we understood the consequences to human lives, to an american icon, and to all who are victims. and they also asked for their privacy at this time. saying that they were just get reunited with their family and friends and i think that is another reason for this letter. yesterday there was argument in the montgomery county court for the release of the names of the jurors. and the media argued there is a

first amendment constitutional right that the names be made public. the prosecution argeed they want their privacy and their names should not be released. the judge is looking at the law and deciding what is important in this situation and how he should rule at this moment. but the next date that is important is the sentencing of bill cosby. and that we understand will take place and now less than 75 days. but one important aspect is not only his sentence that he will get, in regard to prison, after being convicted on three serious felonies and andrea constand could give a victim pact statement. but we know prosecutors are look at the law in pennsylvania to see if other accusers, other alleged victims also would be able to stand up in court and talk to bill cosby and the court about what they believe is appropriate in a victim pact statement. of course the defense would be able to weigh in and this is something they most definitely i think, would not be in favor of,

brooke. >> we'll look for that next up in this process in a couple of weeks,jean, thank you so much. the jurors in that major bill cosby decision. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. jim -- jim sciutto in for jake tapper. >> announcer: this is breaking news. >> we begin with the politics lead and another legal team shake-up signaling a more aggressive approach to the mueller investigation. white house lawyer ty cobb is out and with a source telling cnn the president's lead lawyer had been clashing with mr. trump for weeks over his combative stance toward the special counsel. and emmet flood, the man who represented bill clinton during his impeachment, he is expected to join the president's team. a source familiar with the president's thinking telling cnn,